The Proof of God

YouTube user +al gore at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBEwgdCHUWo has challenged me to empirically prove that God exists by emperically proving He created or did something. The following is my answer:

Christians do not claim that God can be reduced to a scientific experiment. Though the preponderance of evidence points to God (finely tuned universe, origin of life, order, biogenesis, DNA information, genetic entropy) we do not claim that we can prove Him. In contrast, atheism claims empirical science as its foundation. Atheists claim that evolution is a fact. Darwin described evolution as “common descent with modification”. What empirical, falsifiable evidence do you offer for evolution as common descent with modification?

If a death of a person is investigated, there are ultimately only two possible causes for that death or for any death: a natural cause or a design cause. If all the evidence leads to a design cause but all design causes are ruled out before hand then the evidence will be made to fit the natural cause. Do you deny that this analogy fits what we are talking about?

God of the Gaps and Empirical Evidence

View the video and dialog here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBEwgdCHUWo

A viewer on YouTube feels that our video on Proteins requiring proteins is a God of the gaps argument and simplistic. I wrote back:
I think it is interesting that the USA secular educational system ignores the LAW of biogenesis (life only comes from life and is seen every day) and assumes abiogenesis which has never been observed.

So in our secular educational institutions the only possible cause for the origin of life is a natural cause. So no matter what the evidence, that evidence is made to fit the natural cause. So when you hint that “complexity” points to God as simplistic I will take that over the myopic view of secularists who force the evidence to fit their naturalistic cause (while not allowing a design cause in the door).

The viewer responded with Abiogenesis is new and science is about nature. He also challenged me to provide empirical evidence for creation. So I responded:

I appreciate your comments and questions. First, I deny that this is a God of the Gaps argument. It only is when design or God is not considered an option. If design is considered an option, then where does the evidence better lead, design or a natural cause? For me the clear answer is design.

You wrote, “Science is the study of nature.” That is true. However, the essence of science is the search for knowledge. There is nothing inherent in the study of science that mandates that the cause of a natural thing is a natural cause. That requirement is inserted by materialists who are unwilling to allow a level playing field to seekers of truth. Instead their way is indoctrination without consideration of design as a cause.

Your question is a good one. But as I answer it, what will you have to offer to show empirical, testable data that we are here as Darwin wrote, by “common descent with modification”? And do not give me the standard answer by changes observed in bacteria and viruses. The fact that organisms change fits the creation model as well. Rather, demonstrate bacteria evolving a functional organelle that prior bacteria did not have, or something of the kind.

I can offer several lines of evidence for creation. In doing so I am not trying to prove the existence of God, rather I am offering evidence that creation better fits the evidence than evolution by natural causes.

1. As the above video states, conundrums such as proteins requiring (maybe hundreds or even thousands of proteins) in order to create a protein. This is not simply a chicken or egg issue. We are talking multiple high tech nano machines, with communication, transportation, mechanics (folding of the protein) and who knows what all is going on in order to create a single protein. This is observed, it is repeatable and the best explanation is design not a natural cause.

2. The Law of Biogenesis. Life only comes from life. It is observed every day. Never has life been observed to come from natural causes even with the intense help of evolutionary scientists around the world trying to drum up evidence for it.

3. I don’t want to get into an argument about how the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics being limited to closed systems and we are supposedly in an open system. So, let me refer simply to order instead. Again order is observed every day in a variety of locations and situations. Intelligent orderers are statistically observed (vastly more so) to be the cause of order than order from natural causes. I do not deny that order does at times come from natural causes. I am saying the vast majority of order coming from an intelligent source far exceeds order coming out of chaos.

I could go on to talk about predictions, information, the finely tuned universe and other sources of evidence such as genetic entropy (search YouTube for Dr. John Sanford). However, it is time for you to respond. I would like to see you provide two or three sources for empirical evidence for “common descent with modification”.